i would like to find some pro-jw sites.
i know that the society frowns on internet use....but there has to be some out there.
i know several years ago i looked at several sites that had forums with lots of active and strong jw's.
There are active members here. They just woke up. Are you awakened?
I think that every active Jw that is on here is questioning things, thus their mind is not the same as someone that still totally believes and has no questions what-so-ever. I want to speak, or hear from current undoubting witnesses....and going to the local KH is not an option as I am a well know 'apostate'.
Yes I am awakened...have been for about three years now.
i would like to find some pro-jw sites.
i know that the society frowns on internet use....but there has to be some out there.
i know several years ago i looked at several sites that had forums with lots of active and strong jw's.
what's the point?
I would really like some discussion boards to be able to talk to some witnesses. The point is to better understand how an active member thinks on various issues. The further a person is removed, the harder it becomes to put yourself in a JW mindset. Having that thinking is very helpful when trying to work up arguments about Jw doctrine.
i would like to find some pro-jw sites.
i know that the society frowns on internet use....but there has to be some out there.
i know several years ago i looked at several sites that had forums with lots of active and strong jw's.
I would like to find some pro-Jw sites. I know that the society frowns on internet use....but there has to be some out there. I know several years ago I looked at several sites that had forums with lots of active and strong Jw's. There has to be some still around......
the articles on the jw-cd which only go back to 1950 where we fought back the attacks.
i do not understand why they did not continue to blast our bible since it is such a fraud....down south in usa churches teach members how to refute dubs at their door.....but why did they stop blasting the nwt?
it is sooooooo easy to show a dub there is a bunch of made up crap in it.....i may have to help my local chruches.....if you need more info about the horrible fraud parts, feel free to pm me.........................oompa......even elders dont know
I think that they don't bother because only the JW's respect their version. It is not sold in any bookstores and a person could not receive one unless they are studying with a JW. So, if you teach the non-jw how to refute the jw there is really no chance of them getting that vile version of the bible in their hands.
They may have hit it hard back in the 50's not long after it came out b/c they might have assumed that it was intended for mass publication, and would be purported for use across denominations.
How would it have been if you would have been a preacher in the 50's and wanted to give the NWT a try and preached from it for a while before realizing how twisted it is?.......this could have happened if they would have not 'attacked' the NWT so hard.
sorry if my thoughts are scattered...I need to go to bed.
i don't mean this to be offensive to any catholics in any way and believe that they can have true salvation unlike the jw.
also, i know little about the in's and out's of practicing catholicism, as i have never had any interest in being one.
regardless i am always surprised when an ex-jw says that they have found the real truth in catholicism.
I don't mean this to be offensive to any Catholics in any way and believe that they can have true salvation unlike the Jw. Also, I know little about the in's and out's of practicing Catholicism, as I have never had any interest in being one. Regardless I am always surprised when an ex-Jw says that they have found the real truth in Catholicism. To me it seems that they are falling into the belief that they are in the one chosen religion and all other religions and subsequent denominations are wrong. The Catholics also seem to have fairly strict ordinances regarding detailed aspects of your life and are very liturgical....and these things seem to be reasons that some left the Jw's. Catholicism also has it version of the Bible....again something that turned some Jw's off. Catholic history is steeped in 'new light' like teachings and the leaders hold their authority far above the average catholic member, believing that without their direction they would be totally lost on how to understand the Bible....again things that made ex-jw's say 'Wait a minute...you mean to tell me.....'.
Again I mean no offense, and I am sure that there are plenty of things that I am either off about or just dead wrong. So, please correctly me where I am wrong.
hi all, my name is tony.
i just came across the forum and thought that it will be a nice idea to register.
i here looking for great new friends i like listening to music, some kinds more than others.
HAHAHAHAHHAHA.......
I just checked my post to find a Muslim dating site advertised at the bottom of the page and one of its features is photos. I could not help but laugh b/c it made me think of photos like this.....
WOW....
hi all, my name is tony.
i just came across the forum and thought that it will be a nice idea to register.
i here looking for great new friends i like listening to music, some kinds more than others.
2. Islam is a religious lifestyle, not just a quick Sunday morning church visit and a label. Although some Christians do pray before each meal and spend much time with their Bible, etc.many don't in the USA. Islam is something that can't be shunted into a few spare hours. You pray five times a day. Your dress code is affected; even your food choices are explained in the Qur'an. Many converts like it because they feel actively involved and as if they are truly religious. Some people also studied Buddhism, flirted with Roman Catholicism or spent time with Quakers, but ultimately found them lacking.
You are on an primarily ex-jehovah's witness website and they are leaving an oppressive religion that mandated virtually everything about life, even the things that don't matter like dress. There is little appeal for this type of religion for ex-Jw's. I think that most JW's that leave become born again, evangelical Christians if they pick any religion at all.I think that you are wasting your time.
Damn.....I see that you are living up to your name
i am learning so much about this great collection of ancient "literature.".
the book of job was a poem.
i already knew from jw's that it's authorship and.
so what would you all recommend as a good introductory book to read to learn more about this - not fiction like Da Vinci Code, but more along the lines of what you all have been discussing?
Canon of the Scripture: It's Origin, Development, and Significance, is a great book for an overall view.
Lost Scriptures, contains many of the Gnostic text as well as other non-canonized text translated into English.
Lost Christianities, contains the historical perspective around the scriptures that were not canonized.
This is a fair introduction that should be readable to everyone.
i am learning so much about this great collection of ancient "literature.".
the book of job was a poem.
i already knew from jw's that it's authorship and.
About the holy spirit. It is fairly well established that everyone has free will; in that God does not coerce men to do things. Rather if their hearts are willing and right, then He will guide them as much as their hearts will allow. If God were to just take over a person and they had no choice in the matter, well then that would be as if man had no freedom in the matter, no choice, no free will. This is certainly not a desire of God. When the person is willing He will guide them. Most often thought men's hearts get in the way of what God is trying to do. This is not to say that God could not override their heart to achieve His will; rather He does not do anything that directly coerce men.
This has happened with the translation of the bible and the texts that were allowed into it.....the Bible's editors throughout history have erred on the extreme side of caution when considering what text should be allowed in. In the early church, like the first two hundred years, they let in more than made sense. What I mean is that they let so many addition texts in that they had major discrepancies in themes of books. Examples of this are the things that I mentioned in the first post that I made about the Gnostic. Some of their books were allowed in various early church locations. They completely contradicted each other in theme and purpose, thus these books were weeded out rather quickly. The idea was definitely 'Lets be sure to not take something out of holy writings that belong'. This ideology was good, but far to liberal and thereby damaging. [This is, I believe, what happened with the Catholic canon. St Jerome edited out what should have not been their in the first place. The OT of the Latin Bibles of the time were based of the Septuagint or LXX, which was not original Hebrew. Jerome took the original Hebrew and edited the Latin bibles from the original. For reason of why he took out the books and chapters he did look up the commentaires of St Jerome's Latin Vulgate.]
The above was just one of many examples of how alternate text found their way into orthodox circles. Another example that is very clear that men's hearts got in the way has been injection their own personal doctrine and dogmas into scripture. If a scripture did not fit their ideas, they simply edited it out or rearranged the text to fit what they wanted. This also happened with whole text of the bible. Regardless anything they added or took away caused their version of their bible to not be unified in its message. I hope that I did a fair job of introducing you to some of those thought in the earlier post that I made. The things taken away or added to the bible simply makes it were their is not a unified message. No text that I have read to this date (I have not read all the Dead Sea Scrolls or all the apocrypha of the OT) has fit in with the message of the canonized scriptures.
The WTBTS is very good at making up stories to 'fill in the blanks' around the scriptures. They create doctrines that they claim are inspired when they want to have more guidance than the scripture gives. The best example of this that I can think of off the top of my head is the blood doctrine. The NT or OT for that matter says very little about how blood is to be treated. They take what little is said and add things like; its ok to take fractions, just not whole blood components. Noting even close to this is said in scripture, but that does not stop them from saying that it is an inspired scripture. The same thing had happened throughout history, with the main difference being that they added what they wanted to directly into scripture.
There has also been stories like Lilith and the Infancy Gospel of Jesus. Here, many scholars believe that they are just interesting stories that were never intended to be taken as inspired scripture. There is also a parallel with the JW's. The are curious about what they think the New System will be like. So, they make up ideas about them, but they never assume of assert that those ideas are inspired, it is just some thing that is understood that is just fun speculation. Now if they were to write some of these speculations down and 2000 years from now they were found there would prob. be no textual notes that they are not inspired text. So, the people that found it would prob. assume that it was meant that they took these ideas seriously, only after a lot of investigation would they find that they were just stories that were intended to be nothing more. The same is story of Lilith and several other apocryphal text.
I hope that I am giving you some things that are helpful and cause you to think. These are subjects that take a lot of though, time, and hard research. I am far from done myself and hope that your journey can be as fulfilling as mine.
